Comments on: Children, Parents, and Power Struggles http://www.amymossoff.com/parenting/1508/children-parents-and-power-struggles/ Finding meaning in my everyday experiences Wed, 08 Feb 2012 13:12:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1 By: Amy http://www.amymossoff.com/parenting/1508/children-parents-and-power-struggles/comment-page-1/#comment-5381 Amy Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:31:27 +0000 http://www.amymossoff.com/?p=1508#comment-5381 John, yes, I thought the same about natural and logical merging into one another, but then the definition reverts to exactly what Susan said, that logical consequences are imposed by the parent. It may be natural and rational to lose trust in your child, but converting that into an action - restricting the child's movement - is the part you impose, whereas a natural consequence follows automatically with no further action from the parent. I've thought of another example, though, which is that you would definitely impose a logical consequence in a case like the child running into the street (even if it is just pulling the child back). The natural consequence of that "law of physics" is too dire. So maybe logical consequences are needed for social interactions and when natural consquences would lead to too great a harm. I'm just brainstorming too. I'd love to hear more ideas. Just send an email to rplist at aol dot com to ask Susan Crawford about the list. John, yes, I thought the same about natural and logical merging into one another, but then the definition reverts to exactly what Susan said, that logical consequences are imposed by the parent. It may be natural and rational to lose trust in your child, but converting that into an action – restricting the child’s movement – is the part you impose, whereas a natural consequence follows automatically with no further action from the parent.

I’ve thought of another example, though, which is that you would definitely impose a logical consequence in a case like the child running into the street (even if it is just pulling the child back). The natural consequence of that “law of physics” is too dire. So maybe logical consequences are needed for social interactions and when natural consquences would lead to too great a harm.

I’m just brainstorming too. I’d love to hear more ideas.

Just send an email to rplist at aol dot com to ask Susan Crawford about the list.

]]> By: John Drake http://www.amymossoff.com/parenting/1508/children-parents-and-power-struggles/comment-page-1/#comment-5373 John Drake Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:58:57 +0000 http://www.amymossoff.com/?p=1508#comment-5373 Amy, I like your germ of an idea. I can certainly see how logical consequences would be more appropriate in social contexts. Although... just brain-storming here... if the laws of men are objective in nature and correspond to reality, then couldn't logical consequences be a species of natural consequences? In the example you gave, "A logical consequence of a child’s not coming home on time would be for the parent to disallow him going out for a period of time, the connection being that the child can not be trusted." I can see losing trust as a natural consequence of not coming home on time. How a parent communicates that lose of trust is another matter. Again, I'm just thinking these issues through and I've never listened to Crawford's lecture, so I may be off base. btw, how can I get in touch with Mrs. Crawford with regards to her email list? Amy,

I like your germ of an idea. I can certainly see how logical consequences would be more appropriate in social contexts.

Although… just brain-storming here… if the laws of men are objective in nature and correspond to reality, then couldn’t logical consequences be a species of natural consequences? In the example you gave, “A logical consequence of a child’s not coming home on time would be for the parent to disallow him going out for a period of time, the connection being that the child can not be trusted.” I can see losing trust as a natural consequence of not coming home on time. How a parent communicates that lose of trust is another matter.

Again, I’m just thinking these issues through and I’ve never listened to Crawford’s lecture, so I may be off base.

btw, how can I get in touch with Mrs. Crawford with regards to her email list?

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