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	<description>Surround Yourself with Things You Value</description>
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		<title>By: Bill Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 23:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Priorities are a short-term expression of your hierarchy of values. They can change, be shuffled, or even set aside as needed. Your priorities shouldn&#039;t conflict with your hierarchy of values but they can deviate temporarily.

The problem I had with your initial statement was that you seemed to conflate the two. It seemed (and I submit that it probably did to the general audience also) like you would put your child last in the short-term. That would be monstrous, just like refusing to attend to your child because you&#039;re in the middle of sex would be.

Conflicts, I submit, arise in the long-term because short-term priority shuffling averts them. So Kelly is trying to decide between caring for her child and going to school full-time. *That* is a conflict: she can&#039;t do both though she could say that she will put off education a little while longer because her child is at a developmentally-important stage that requires her attention. If her child were a higher value than career, then she would forego school so that she can spend time with her child. If her child wasn&#039;t, then she would take the classes. Since she explicitly values career over child, then she will take those classes--otherwise it is a sacrifice because she has foregone a higher value for a lesser one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Priorities are a short-term expression of your hierarchy of values. They can change, be shuffled, or even set aside as needed. Your priorities shouldn&#8217;t conflict with your hierarchy of values but they can deviate temporarily.</p>
<p>The problem I had with your initial statement was that you seemed to conflate the two. It seemed (and I submit that it probably did to the general audience also) like you would put your child last in the short-term. That would be monstrous, just like refusing to attend to your child because you&#8217;re in the middle of sex would be.</p>
<p>Conflicts, I submit, arise in the long-term because short-term priority shuffling averts them. So Kelly is trying to decide between caring for her child and going to school full-time. *That* is a conflict: she can&#8217;t do both though she could say that she will put off education a little while longer because her child is at a developmentally-important stage that requires her attention. If her child were a higher value than career, then she would forego school so that she can spend time with her child. If her child wasn&#8217;t, then she would take the classes. Since she explicitly values career over child, then she will take those classes&#8211;otherwise it is a sacrifice because she has foregone a higher value for a lesser one.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
		<link>http://www.amymossoff.com/writing/2295/a-different-audience/comment-page-1/#comment-7937</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, it nailed it for me, at least in a general way.  I was struggling even to express what Kelly did.  There is a focus on the long-range that can get lost if you don&#039;t explicitly have your hierarchy set this way.  It&#039;s easy to fall into the child-centered mode because the demands of the child are there all the time.  As with many selfishness issues, it ends up being more of a long-range focus than anything else.  I could be happy if I never had children, but I could not be happy without productive work.  If I don&#039;t keep that in mind, productive work will definitely fall off my radar by default because my child is always there with all of her needs and the pleasures she brings.

Marriage falls in between.  It&#039;s easy to stop working on that relationship if you don&#039;t choose to hold the long-range focus.  Many comments at Mamapedia seemed to understand the marriage-before-children issue, but not the work-before-children issue, and it seemed that this was because they viewed work as just a way of &quot;getting&quot; money.

There is a difference between priorities and a hierarchy of values.  I probably do need to think about this more, but there is already too much in my head.  Isn&#039;t it great when you need to make a list of all the interesting things you want to think about?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it nailed it for me, at least in a general way.  I was struggling even to express what Kelly did.  There is a focus on the long-range that can get lost if you don&#8217;t explicitly have your hierarchy set this way.  It&#8217;s easy to fall into the child-centered mode because the demands of the child are there all the time.  As with many selfishness issues, it ends up being more of a long-range focus than anything else.  I could be happy if I never had children, but I could not be happy without productive work.  If I don&#8217;t keep that in mind, productive work will definitely fall off my radar by default because my child is always there with all of her needs and the pleasures she brings.</p>
<p>Marriage falls in between.  It&#8217;s easy to stop working on that relationship if you don&#8217;t choose to hold the long-range focus.  Many comments at Mamapedia seemed to understand the marriage-before-children issue, but not the work-before-children issue, and it seemed that this was because they viewed work as just a way of &#8220;getting&#8221; money.</p>
<p>There is a difference between priorities and a hierarchy of values.  I probably do need to think about this more, but there is already too much in my head.  Isn&#8217;t it great when you need to make a list of all the interesting things you want to think about?</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.amymossoff.com/writing/2295/a-different-audience/comment-page-1/#comment-7935</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 04:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the fact that work-life balance is a perennial problem with parents indicates that conflicts between the three most important facets of a full life do arise and are quite common. Not all of it can be written off as a legacy of altruistic ethics because, at least implicitly, these are rational, selfish values.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the fact that work-life balance is a perennial problem with parents indicates that conflicts between the three most important facets of a full life do arise and are quite common. Not all of it can be written off as a legacy of altruistic ethics because, at least implicitly, these are rational, selfish values.</p>
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		<title>By: C. August</title>
		<link>http://www.amymossoff.com/writing/2295/a-different-audience/comment-page-1/#comment-7934</link>
		<dc:creator>C. August</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 03:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t get why Kelly&#039;s comment nailed whatever trouble you were having in replying to Bill.  I thought he said he puts the three priorities on equal footing, trading off as the situation dictates, with no sacrifice involved.  Kelly&#039;s comment simply showed that she&#039;d stop having sex if her child had a nightmare -- what?  what parent wouldn&#039;t? -- and then she stated that she needed the career/marriage/child hierarchy in that order without expanding on the point at all.  I still don&#039;t get it.  

As a working dad, Bill&#039;s points resonate perfectly with me, and I don&#039;t understand how they conflict with what you and Kelly are talking about, and why her comment clarifies anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t get why Kelly&#8217;s comment nailed whatever trouble you were having in replying to Bill.  I thought he said he puts the three priorities on equal footing, trading off as the situation dictates, with no sacrifice involved.  Kelly&#8217;s comment simply showed that she&#8217;d stop having sex if her child had a nightmare &#8212; what?  what parent wouldn&#8217;t? &#8212; and then she stated that she needed the career/marriage/child hierarchy in that order without expanding on the point at all.  I still don&#8217;t get it.  </p>
<p>As a working dad, Bill&#8217;s points resonate perfectly with me, and I don&#8217;t understand how they conflict with what you and Kelly are talking about, and why her comment clarifies anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill, I&#039;ve been struggling with a response to your comment for a while now, and Kelly just nailed it.  Because, no, I have not changed the hierarchy.  I would add that the conflicts between the values are almost non-existent.  I have been continually amazed at how, when one is selfish, there is no conflict between being a parent and other priorities.  But then I was struggling to express why I needed the hierarchy, and why in that order.  I knew it had to do with something long-range and was more about holding context than about choosing between competing values, but, Kelly, you really helped clarify it for me.  Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill, I&#8217;ve been struggling with a response to your comment for a while now, and Kelly just nailed it.  Because, no, I have not changed the hierarchy.  I would add that the conflicts between the values are almost non-existent.  I have been continually amazed at how, when one is selfish, there is no conflict between being a parent and other priorities.  But then I was struggling to express why I needed the hierarchy, and why in that order.  I knew it had to do with something long-range and was more about holding context than about choosing between competing values, but, Kelly, you really helped clarify it for me.  Thanks!</p>
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